[M Hybrid V8]

Originally Posted by E90SLAM

The governing body was applying contradicting rules and not applying/enforcing entirely and consistently becomes a draw/raffle/luck. It sucks, but it also happens in other sports (football-or soccer called here in North America) as well.

Huh? So if at the start of the race Masi decides to let all the Honda-powered cars go when the lights went out, but all Mercedes & Ferrari-powered cars had to wait 45 seconds before they could go would just be an example of bad luck to you? Just a governing official applying some contradicting rules and not enforcing race start regulations in their entirety resulting in a little bad luck for some competitors. Happens all the time in sports. WTF??

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

My friend, do not give one inch of sympathy to Wolff you know it's crocodile tears and keep in mind the celebrating from him while Max was lying on stretcher at hospital.
Never forget.

Yeah . Probably I'm too kind as usual ...

And of course I couldn't agree more

[E90SLAM]

Originally Posted by M2CS

So if at the start of the race Masi decides to let all the Honda-powered cars go when the lights went out, but all Mercedes & Ferrari-powered cars had to wait 45 seconds before they could go would just be an example of bad luck to you?

"What if" scenario is irrelevant and I'm not going even to respond as there's no point to argue about a what if scenario.

You're fixated at the presumption that FIA deliberately let Red Bull to win. Please so share evidence and if they're beyond reasonable doubt.

I can only agree that FIA f***ed up big time in Saudi Arabia and Abu Dhabi GPs. But accusing FIA fixing result is stretching too far.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by dmatre

All this whining over 'it's not fair' is nonsense.

Life's not fair. Luck plays a part.

It wasn't fair that Max's tire blew while leading in Baku. No whining from Max.
It wasn't fair that Valteri (Lewis' teammate) went bowling for F1 cars in turn 1 in Hungary. No whining from Max.

It doesn't matter that Lewis had the field covered until the end. The race is until the checkered flag, not 'but he was leading and had the dominant car'.

Was Max lucky? Hell yes. He admits it, Horner admits it. Only the LH fan club can't understand that luck plays a part in motor racing.

Mate . You completely nailed it ! Congrats !

[M Hybrid V8]

Originally Posted by E90SLAM

"What if" scenario is irrelevant and I'm not going even to respond as there's no point to argue about a what if scenario.

You're fixated at the presumption that FIA deliberately let Red Bull to win. Please so share evidence and if they're beyond reasonable doubt.

I can only agree that FIA f***ed up big time in Saudi Arabia and Abu Dhabi GPs. But accusing FIA fixing result is stretching too far.

There's no point to argue that scenario because it's impossible for you to consider it luck or bad luck. You cannot reduce corruption to luck.

Masi fixing the race result is exactly what happened. Whether or not his motive was purely based on a desire for Max to win or providing an exciting finish is up for debate, but he definitely chose to assist Redbull have a massive advantage over Mercedes. Actually, on second thought it's not up for debate because if he wanted an exciting final lap showdown that was as fair as possible, he would've red flagged the race.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Hey I have two lol but my name is not Wolff

Just pulled a snapshot ... MAX is actually looking really good with his butterfly tie !

Within one hour MAX will get the 'F1 2021 FIA World Champion trophy in Paris ..

•Link to watch it (*Live) => https://www.facebook.com/fia/

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yeah . Probably I'm too kind as usual ...

And of course I couldn't agree more

You are and ham bods take advantage of you, give them an inch and they bite of a yard

[Humdizzle]

so is mercedes officially withdrawing their appeal ? that was pretty quick

[E90SLAM]

Originally Posted by M2CS

There's no point to argue that scenario because it's impossible for you to consider it luck or bad luck. You cannot reduce corruption to luck.

Masi fixing the race result is exactly what happened. Whether or not his motive was purely based on a desire for Max to win or providing an exciting finish is up for debate, but he definitely chose to assist Redbull have a massive advantage over Mercedes.

I'd like to see that evidence (not result), and this is serious allegation. More serious than Singapore 2008.

Both teams were given the same opportunity to pit under SC. Merc didn't and RBR did. Mercedes "assumed/predicted" the race would end under SC.

Then why Merc should enjoy the benefit of lapped cars protecting Hamilton. If not letting them unlap themselves, would that be assisting Mercedes by not applying the rules?
(Note that I must admit FIA's cock up by announcing lapped cars won't unlap themselves initially, then reverse the decision later. Myself has a F*** You Michael Masi thought as well)

Then why there are rules stating "any" lapped cars (does that mean all lapped cars or just some be determined by Race Director) allowed up unlap themselves.

Then we figured the Race Director has the ultimate authority to deploy and call back the SC. And there were overriding rules that "safety car in this lap" above all else.

Michael Masi did mentioned earlier in the season that himself and the teams would prefer to finish the race in green flag condition. Should the track deemed safe.

While Michael Masi is the biggest culprit and cockups. I'd be careful calling him corrupted and race fixing unless there's hard evidence.

Let's say the five backmarkets were stuck between HAM and VER, and the race resumes. Is Masi still corrupted and fixing the race in favor to another camp?

This argument will go on for quite a while. Nonetheless, FIA got a hot potato on their hands and lots of SH*T to clean up.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by M2CS

Lol, how many races is Max going to get away with weaving down the straights? I guess technically he didn't get away with it in that race, but has he received a penalty for it yet?

You're kidding around now. It's the price Ham paid in those last laps,remember Villeneuve's words 'stuff happens' and it usually does.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

so is mercedes officially withdrawing their appeal ? that was pretty quick

Mercedes is just chicken . Probably they are still hiding something under the Rocket PU cover...

The more you touch the/a SH1T , the more it stinks ..

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Humdizzle

so is mercedes officially withdrawing their appeal ? that was pretty quick

They would be investigated also, that rear wing of theirs didn't have an extra test that Fia said they'd do b/c it was too late in the season.

[M Hybrid V8]

Originally Posted by E90SLAM

I'd like to see that evidence (not result), and this is serious allegation. More serious than Singapore 2008.

Both teams were given the same opportunity to pit under SC. Merc didn't and RBR did. Mercedes "assumed/predicted" the race would end under SC.

Then why Merc should enjoy the benefit of lapped cars protecting Hamilton. If not letting them unlap themselves, would that be assisting Mercedes by not applying the rules?
(Note that I must admit FIA's cock up by announcing lapped cars won't unlap themselves initially, then reverse the decision later. Myself has a F*** You Michael Masi thought as well)

Then why there are rules stating "any" lapped cars (does that mean all lapped cars or just some be determined by Race Director) allowed up unlap themselves.

Then we figured the Race Director has the ultimate authority to deploy and call back the SC. And there were overriding rules that "safety car in this lap" above all else.

Michael Masi did mentioned earlier in the season that himself and the teams would prefer to finish the race in green flag condition. Should the track deemed safe.

While Michael Masi is the biggest culprit and cockups. I'd be careful calling him corrupted and race fixing unless there's hard evidence.

Let's say the five backmarkets were stuck between HAM and VER, and the race resumes. Is Masi still corrupted and fixing the race in favor to another camp?

This argument will go on for quite a while. Nonetheless, FIA got a hot potato on their hands and lots of SH*T to clean up.

I realize I'm beating a deadhorse, but it's not telling the full story to claim both teams were given the same opportunity to pit. Mercedes could only make their decision based off how the rules are written and how the safety car has been used in the past. So based on the written rules and the historical use of safety cars, Mercedes could NOT decide to pit because there weren't enough remaining laps to clear the track, get all lapped cars to pass the SC and return to the back of the queue, and for the safety car to return to the pits on the following lap. Masi did not inform them of a spontaneous modification to the rules, therefore they could only assume if they pit the race would end behind the SC and they would've forfeited the race to Redbull.

If Masi had ultimate power to modify the regulations however he deemed necessary, he could've red flagged the race. That would've gotten rid of all backmarkers between Max and Ham, allowed Mercedes to change tires without sacrificing grid position and provided the 1 or 2 lap showdown for the title so many people were after considering they didn't like how HAM/Mercedes dominated the first 99% of the race.

[M Hybrid V8]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Mate .That's Madness ! A penalty for what ?

For being carried to the hospital after being rammed in the wall with 51 G by HAM ?

Advice : Guys go see an exorcist 'ASAP !

He wouldn't have hit the wall if he hit his brakes. He had the stronger pace that day so he probably could've taken first place back at some point or worse case finish 2nd and not have to act a fool in Brazil and Qatar.

[E90SLAM]

Originally Posted by M2CS

I realize I'm beating a deadhorse, but it's not telling the full story to claim both teams were given the same opportunity to pit. Mercedes could only make their decision based off how the rules are written and how the safety car has been used in the past. So based on the written rules and the historical use of safety cars, Mercedes could NOT decide to pit because there weren't enough remaining laps to clear the track, get all lapped cars to pass the SC and return to the back of the queue, and for the safety car to return to the pits on the following lap. Masi did not inform them of a pending modification to the rules, therefore they could only assume if they pit the race would end behind the SC and they would've forfeited the race to Redbull.

If Masi had ultimate power to modify the regulations however he deemed necessary, he could've red flagged the race. That would've gotten rid of all backmarkers between Max and Ham, allowed Mercedes to change tires without sacrificing grid position and provided the 1 or 2 lap showdown for the title so many people were after considering they didn't like how HAM/Mercedes dominated the first 99% of the race.

That I agree. However, there's sufficient gap (I recall) between HAM and VER when SC deployed. That's a gamble or "educated guess" to stay out.

I wouldn't call FIA race fixing and corruption. But the circumstances had forced Michael Masi to crack under pressure. And of course both camps lobbying him does not help the situation. (I'm sure next season there will be a liaison to filter out some radio messages)

As for the Red Flag, we already had too many in Saudi Arabia.
But in seriousness, I understand why there won't be one. As Masi said before the race, (I'm sure unless its serious), crash at that corner won't warrant a Red Flag situation.

One conclusion for sure, we need a new Race Director.
But not sure how the power shift in FIA president election will play.

[E90SLAM]

Shame...does sounds like FIA doesn't want to be responsible of their own incapability.
Will Masi be a scapegoat?

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M2CS

He wouldn't have hit the wall if he hit his brakes. He had the stronger pace that day so he probably could've taken first place back at some point or worse case finish 2nd and not have to act a fool in Brazil and Qatar.

And HAM doesn't have brakes ? Or just dirty tricks !

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

They would be investigated also, that rear wing of theirs didn't have an extra test that Fia said they'd do b/c it was too late in the season.

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